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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 5, 2010 12:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Help on the Way

They only played Help/Slip SEVEN times in 77 ( 17 in 76 )before they shelved it for six years. According to the band I think it was one of their most challenging pieces but why shelve it when they had it down flawless then bring it back right when they arguably were not at their tightest? Even though 83 does have some ripping versions. Just seems odd.

either way I was surprised at how infrequently it was played in 77.

Same with Crazy fingers. They had it down perfect in 76 and it NEVER sounded like that again when they brought it back.At least not the beautiful intro. Always sounds all bumbling to me in later versions ( just the intro part not the rest of the song).

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 5, 2010 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Crazy Fingers is one of my fav GD songs . There are so many good ones from most eras . '76 are the sweetest to me .

Does anyone remember a CF , from the late 80's (?) , into drums (?) , post vocal , with a long intricate Spanish/ Arabic theme in the jam ?

I'm not sure about the era , but I know it was before drums .

btw - Hunter wrote some beautiful lyrics for BfA .

edit - The cassette cover I had ( given to me ) called it Baghdad Jam . I got my hands on it during the summer of '89

This post was modified by micah6vs8 on 2010-09-05 22:17:58

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Poster: Longnstrange Date: Sep 5, 2010 2:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

This may or may not be the version you were remembering, but...http://www.archive.org/details/gd1989-06-19.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.83673.sbeok.flac16 there are Spanish jam hints in the intro and the rest is just great. Now I'm in the end jam, and it is Spanishy, this may be the one you spoke of after all. Either way, if you like CF this is a joy.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 5, 2010 3:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Thanks L&S .
The one I am trying to recall had a much longer , more coherent jam . It's possible one of MH friends was sitting in . It became Ollin Arageed - like , but with a much different Arabic flavor . I have never heard them play a CF jam like this .

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 5, 2010 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Crazy Fingers was one they almost never performed as well live as they did on the studio version...the "One From the Vault" release show in 1975 is, i think, the closest...the versions after 1976 are, IMO, really pretty embarrassing, if for no other reason than Jerry's voice just can't hit the notes needed for the song to really shine. And I agree instrumentally they sound awfully clunky and choppy.

The H>S>Franklins years really were at peak in 1977. The Buffalo War Memorial of 5/9/77 and the June Winterland version exactly one month later 6/9/77 are hard to beat...but maybe the best "Franklins" of 1977 was played in Springfield, Mass. at 4/23/77.

The 1983 versions weren't too bad, altho' a little rushed-sounding...and Jerry's voice was on the way to frog-town so you lose something there.

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Poster: thebone Date: Sep 5, 2010 5:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

The H>S>F from 10/11/77 (Lloyd Noble Center, Norman, OK), featured on Road Trips Vol. 1, No.2, is a tremendous version as well. Truly a flawless rendition! I believe this was the last one played prior to the hiatus of the three song arrangement.

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Poster: Pork Soda Date: Sep 5, 2010 5:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Perhaps, this is it?
http://www.archive.org/details/gd85-10-29.sbd.hinko.21533.sbeok.shnf
Trippy 8 min. jam between CF and drums.

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 5, 2010 8:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Thank-you PS . I do not think we have a match , but that had all the markings . '85 , long post vocal jam , into drums .

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Poster: Dudley Dead Date: Sep 6, 2010 7:36am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Nothing really to add, everyone has pretty much said it . But that has never stopped me...
I saw the first of those 77 Help>Slip>Frank's at the Swing (2/26/77),
and the return of Crazy Fingers at Ventura (/18/82,) .
The same thing that hurts CF, in the latter day, is most likely the reason they cut Help>Slip eventually out ; that is their moving slowly away form jamming, and the WORK it takes to make something like H>S come off .
As the years went on, as Garcia gained weight , songs like Playing, and Other One lost weight . It is odd that that in the mid 80's they make a stab at bringing Help>Slip, and Crazy FIngers back ; the first I always liked, really lights up some of those 90's shows ; the second, I liked it , but felt the chumped out on the jam going out of it , they just seemed incapable or unwilling to get into that sort of etherial space , that makes those 76 versions so wonderful .

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Poster: yesss! Date: Sep 6, 2010 11:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

dudley- i am very envious that you were at 2/26/77. one of my all time favorites! hope it was fun.

as for h>s>f being shelved in '77 and crazy fingers in '76- it is really a shame. i think we missed some great versions of help>slip>franks from '78, as that combo could have worked really well with the more aggressive '78 sound. the band could have played it a little faster and more rocking, jerry could have barked and growled the lyrics, and i could see him really digging into the solos in both the body of "help" and the jam in "slipknot". but maybe the riff and odd time in slipknot felt clunky or just required too much thought/effort without enough payoff? seems like the band was getting more visceral and raw as they headed into '78, so maybe they started to favor material that enabled raging and/or emoting over stuff that was more intellectual but could be a buzzkill?

and crazy fingers would have been amazing in "just exactly perfect" '77. something about the sound of that year (the verb? the arrangements?) made the slower and/or more spacious and open tunes sound extra perfect. the vocals soar and notes float and ring out and there is a stately and graceful quality that i think would have really worked well with the slow jazzy melody and billowy reggae feel of crazy fingers. plus, the band could have really taken that outro for a ride in grand '77 style, and jerry would have just killed that middle solo. oh well...

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Sep 7, 2010 4:13pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

couldn't agree more re: "Crazy Fingers" being absent in 1977. They would have nailed it! The only song I regret more missing from that "just exactly perfect" year is "Birdsong"...another they really should have brought out...I guess everything else was just so slamming they felt 'why mess w/perfection'?

Interesting to note as well that in 1977 there was only ONE "China>Rider", and it just killed--12/29/77--at Winterland....can't imagine what it would have been like to have been there....

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Poster: Capt. Cook Date: Sep 5, 2010 7:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way/Crazy Fingers

http://www.archive.org/details/gd1976-09-30.sbd.18107.shnf

A very nice lilting 15 minute version of Crazy Fingers. The performance is laid back and explores the wonderous carnival atmosphere of this tune...

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Poster: vapors Date: Sep 5, 2010 8:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way/Crazy Fingers

Thanks. Settling back with a well deserved pint to enjoy the entire song, after much time spent today skipping ahead past the six minute mark on various later versions on the hunt for micah’s show. Puts me in the mind to explore the song from the first performance onwards.

The last CF with Brent: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1990-07-21.sbd.walker-scotton.miller.95809.sbeok.flac16
Edit: I have to add that this CF is also followed by the last Dear Mr. Fantasy, and well, the choice to listen is yours alone.

This show is the first to include both a Help/Slip/Franklin’s and a Crazy Fingers since 9/23/76: http://www.archive.org/details/gd1990-05-05.dsbd.nickspicks.4850.shnf
Edit - the Mr Fantasy is awesome here too. And anyone feeling Brent at this point may as well listen to the Blow Away from the following night.

And since I brought it up, the CF jam out of 9/23/76 is pretty fine itself:
http://www.archive.org/details/gd76-09-23.sbd.backus.14687.sbeok.shnf


This post was modified by vapors on 2010-09-06 03:02:04

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Poster: micah6vs8 Date: Sep 7, 2010 8:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way/Crazy Fingers

Thanks for your help v

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 5, 2010 1:18pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

the first CF is still, i think, my favorite
http://www.archive.org/details/gd1975-06-17.fob.menke.motb.97077.flac16

what's not to like?

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 5, 2010 8:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

" what's not to like? "

the newly surfaced sbd! ONLY reason is the version I have patches the SBD and AUD like every other minute. COMPLETELY distracting to me. I'd rather listen to the AUD because of that. But yeah you're right, what's not to like? I've always had a soft spot for 6-3-76 just because it' so well executed. Otherwise I think that show is sluggish and over rated for the most part. Much better shows as the Month progressed imo.

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Poster: midnightcarousel Date: Sep 6, 2010 2:39pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

the aud sounds so good, why would anyone waste their time with that ugly, flat soundboard?

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Sep 7, 2010 3:28pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

Hey J., got your email! thanks by the way, seriously ... i WILL get back to you, i need a breather right now, dealing with CRAP at work, hopefully you don't know how that goes; will be in touch

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Poster: johnnyonthespot Date: Sep 7, 2010 5:00pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Help on the Way

actually I do haha. make sure you send me your addy in case I dont have an old email or in case you moved.